Kyle: Hello and welcome to Great Things Tampa Bay, the podcast about great eats, great places, and great people in the greater Tampa Bay area. I’m your host Kyle Sasser, a Tampa Bay native and a realtor. This is episode four, Vesuvio. And in this episode, we cover my favorite Italian restaurant over in Tampa, and we also have another segment of our interview with Andy from the Urban Group. We also have a contest challenge with a little reward, a little gift card for you for your participation so please be sure to take a listen and check that out.

And finally, a little jungle survival tip, if you ever find yourself in the wilds of the Congo, please stay tuned because it might just save your life. I’d like to thank you for inviting me along on your commute to work or maybe you’re listening to me when you’re bicycling around somewhere. Probably shouldn’t be listening to me while you’re bicycling. Please take at least one ear out, so you can hear oncoming traffic. I just want you to be safe and finish this episode.

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Segment 1: Vesuvio

So the restaurant I’m going to be talking about today is Bella’s Italian Café. It’s located over at 1413 South Howard Avenue over in Tampa. The place has been there since 1986. I have eaten there at least since 1997 or ’08. So there’s two different types of Italian to me. As you can tell, I definitely love categorizing things. So there is the Italian that I call, like, high cuisine which is, you know, fancy ingredients and everything is prepared to the hilt, parsley is arranged just so when that is presented on a pretty plate. And then the other side of that is what I like to call mama’s Italian which is, you know, just good old classics, maybe some fettuccine Alfredo, some pasta, some pizza, that sort of stuff, maybe some fish.

Bella’s Cafe is definitely on the mama’s Italian side of that, and it is the best in the area. There are a couple other Italian restaurants in the area that I would recommend, Il Ritorno, if you want the fancy Italian, and then Pia’s out in Gulfport if you wanna split the difference. So it’s like halfway between mama’s Italian and the fancy Italian. So like at Pia’s, they make their own all-around pastas and all that stuff. Both of those places are absolutely delicious, quite a bit different experience from Bella’s, though.

Speaking of Bella’s and it has been updated relatively recently. It’s a nice interior. They have a great bar section there. There is almost always a bunch of people there. Parking can be difficult. Thankfully, they have put in a valet in the last few years. You used to have to park on this nightmare of a parking lot in the location there out on Howard. But thankfully, with the valet there, you just drive up, hand in the keys, and you walk off, and that’s awesome. It’s like you don’t have to worry about trying to park. I used to have a Ford F150 truck and just trying to park that thing. So anyway, get the valet.

And you walk in, the place looks nice. The bar is usually hopping. Nine times out of 10, there’s gonna be, you know, 20, 30, 40 people there. There’s gonna be lively servers are gonna be walking around everywhere. You’re gonna be able to see right into the kitchen, and they actually did that before that was a big thing. So you can see in there, they have their pizza oven which you can see them cooking on. It’s not like you’re a diner and you just sit in there staring at people making food.

The seating, I would call relatively intimate, lots of booze. Without further ado, on to the more important part, the food. So when I first started going there, I would get the fish, and I’m not really too big on fish prepared out at restaurants. I do make a mean salmon at home, and my wife tells me that I make, it’s the best one she’s ever had. It does involve a little smoking and lump charcoal action, and some soy sauce and some honey, and it’s absolutely amazing. But whenever I eat out of restaurants, I usually shy away from the food.

I made an exception in Bella’s case, and when I first went there, I would get the maple blaze salmon on a cedar plank, which I had never had before in my culinary experience when I was younger, was relatively limited. I mean, I was mainly restricted to Outbacks, Applebee’s, that sort of stuff. At Plant City, we have this place called Buddy Freddys, which I had eaten there, and that sort of thing.

So this is me kind of stepping outside of my range a little bit, and whenever they brought it out it was this perfectly cooked salmon fillet. It was on a cedar plank that was still smoking from being cooked, and the combination of the maple glaze on the salmon and the smoking cedar, it blew my mind. I won’t say it inspired me to learn how to cook because I did not at that point in time, but it really made me wish that I would learn how to cook, and I’ll put it that way.

It was until years later that I actually took an interest in learning how to cook something. Since then, I also had tried the pizzas they have there, which are also great. They were one of the first places with an actual pizza oven that I’ve had eaten at. I’m sure there was other places around, but me personally, it was the first place I ate out with one, and absolutely delicious. I know nowadays, it’s kind of a trend. You just see them around, but their pizzas and flat breads are absolutely amazing.

So that moves us on to my favorite entrée, confetti spaghetti. I wanna get this right, so I bought the book. So, this place is so awesome. The owner and the chef actually wrote a cookbook that details all of the dishes on their menu. And of course, I loved this place so much. I had to have it. I bought it right then, and coincidentally, the owner was there at the bar and signed the book for me, which was very nice. So if he’s listening to that, thank you.

So my favorite entrée is confetti spaghetti, and I’ve ordered this for probably 12 years now, and have not had anything else there. I might have had a bite of my wife’s stuff on occasion, but confetti spaghetti is the only thing I’ve eaten there. And basically, it’s a pasta obviously, it has spaghetti in the name, but the secret is both the sauce and how it’s prepared. And it’s basically a combination of tomato cream sauce, which I don’t know why more places don’t do that. Like tomato is great by itself and cream is great by itself, but to combine the both becomes something much, much stronger.

Having bought the book, I have actually prepared this myself and it came out equally amazing, and the secret I have found is that it is cooked with bacon, obviously. Bacon makes everything better. But yeah, when you prepare this with bacon is ridiculously good. So, the dish is basically spaghetti pasta in a tomato cream sauce with basal, bacon, diced tomatoes, some peppers, some scallions, and some peas, and basal, and some parsley, and some parmesano, some parmesano, and that makes it absolutely delicious. I have not met one person that was ever disappointed by this dish. So, when you go there make sure at least one person that’s there orders this dish.

I know some other stuff is pretty good and [inaudible 00:07:57], and the reason their stuff is so delicious is because they make everything in-house fresh every day. And again, they have been doing this since 1986. They were one of the few places that were…farm to table thing has really changed that a lot, and it’s pretty typical nowadays as long as you stay away from, you know, chain restaurants and stuff like that. But find a place that will prepare everything thing every day, every morning, from fresh ingredients. But in the sea of mediocrity, Bella’s was the one bright and shining beacon in my culinary life. So, hats off to Bella’s and of course, they would not be the best without a stupendous dessert, and that’s where we get the name of this episode from Vesuvio.

So, Vesuvio obviously, the volcano it blew it’s top and this dessert will make you blow your top, which is a horrible joke to introduce a stupendous dessert. So, of course, it is chocolate because that’s my thing, and it is a lava cake, and I know you all are rolling our eyes because this is like the second or third lava cake that I’ve done. I don’t care, I love them. This one is the lava cake to end all lava cakes. Even if you don’t like chocolate, this thing will still blow your mind. My wife, I mean, she likes chocolate but she’s not as big on it as I am, obviously, I have a problem. But chocolate and we have a love-hate relationship, but yeah, even people who don’t like chocolate, any time I’ve had them try this dish is like, “Oh man. Oh man, that’s good, that’s good.”

So yeah, so it’s more of a cakey sponge and it’s thick, so you do get a good piece of cake there. And then inside it’s an ample portion of melted chocolate, not too much, not too little. If you remember my previous episode, my complaint was that the one that I had [inaudible 00:09:50] the sponge was a little too dense and the melted chocolate in the middle a little too much. Bella’s, to me, it has the perfect combination of both, and then on top of that, they put ice cream. And I know that description sounds like every other lava cake ever made. They throw ’em by the boat load off the back of the Cisco trucks. This one is made with love by the people of Bella’s and it shows through. Just give it a try and it’ll blow your mind.

So that’s Bella’s Italian Café, absolutely amazing. If you want some of the greatest Italian food in Tampa Bay, definitely go there. I am gonna be reviewing Pia’s and Il Ritorno in a few later episodes, but I wanted to lead off with my favorite here. Just their longevity, and they have maintained the same quality throughout that, coupled with the fact that they put a cookbook out. It’s an amazing place. I love it. I’ve had birthdays there. They’ve always been great. I’ve never had bad service there. I can’t say enough good things about them. Bon appétit and, Bella’s, I love you, so.

Segment two – Urban Interview

So for this segment, I would like to continue our interview with Andy of the Urban Group here of the urban restaurants in St. Pete. I had a great time sitting down with him. This was from a few weeks ago and this was also…we used a segment of this for episode two. And just wanna continue the interview so you get to know him a little bit better. And without further ado, here we go.

Kyle: So besides your restaurants, what’s your favorite place in the Tampa Bay Area? And it can be like a restaurant, a park, you know, like just someplace you go to rewind or…

Andy: My house.

Kyle: Well, tell me that. What do you like about your house?

Andy: My son, you know, any chance I get to kinda hang out with him.

Kyle: All right. I promise I’m not gonna give the address out [crosstalk].

Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what I found myself doing now is when we have employee meetings or get-togethers or whatever, I’m trying to keep everything here within the district. I want to grow this part of town between 16th Street and 31st Street. And I think we are the place where the locals go. Like, yeah, we have tourist come down here. You know, Beach Drive, I think, has turned much more into tourism, and to where some folks who live really close the Beach Drive go.

Old Northeast and those neighborhoods, north of there kind of feed off of 4th Street, you go downtown a little bit, the edge is able to get some spillover. And so the Grand Central district has been supported greatly by Kenwood and Historic Kenwood. And I think we’re starting to see more people come up the street, and I think that’s only gonna improve over time. We have much better infrastructure for parking than a lot of these other neighborhoods.

Kyle: Yeah, edge is pretty tough to find parking sometimes.

Andy: Yeah, and then I don’t know, I don’t think that’s gonna improve any time soon. What we need a better job of is all these neighborhoods in Pasadena and closer to Treasure Island and even further down to Avery [SP], a lot of times they get on the freeway, they come up to 25, get off on 31st Street, and they just fly down 1st avenue South, and don’t even realize there’s anything here. And so we need to do a job collectively as a group and a district educating those people. And being open to the idea that we are the place where the locals go.

Kyle: I’ve been in the area for…I’ve always lived in, like, Tampa, St. Pete, you know, since I was 18. Like, it’s very, very recent that the edge has built up, like, the last year and a half, two years. And the central district was always, you know, the little shops and, yeah, there was a few restaurants, a few rest place. It’s now changed but there used to be a great shop there. But, yeah, like, this area has really come along. I used to get my hair done off the street. But, yeah, like you said, this was the place for most locals came. Beach Drive was more of a…I don’t wanna say the channel side of St. Pete, but it’s a little more commercial and a little more not independent, I guess you could say. Like most of the restaurants down there are independent, but, you know, they’re a little bit more like a corporate feel, I guess you could say. I work with Keller Williams St. Pete so I’ve done it all the time, so I know. But, like, I love this area, too.

Andy: Well, historically, this neighborhood is where the working class families worked serviced the city. And so historically, this is where the locals shop and played and ate.

Kyle: And I read recently, they’re gonna be building some affordable apartments in [crosstalk].

Andy: Yes.

Kyle: That’s a project that’s coming up.

Andy: I saw that going through, yeah.

Kyle: That’s awesome. What priorities do you have more than anything? This could be what makes you really happy or what makes you really pissed.

Andy: So really happy would be when employees are confused at the owner, when customers think employees [inaudible 00:14:40]. I think that’s awesome. That’s our end goal is I want to create a brand, not a face or a personality. Because, you know, I’m lazy and so I don’t wanna have to be on call 24/7.

Kyle: Well, you call it laziness, I call it efficiency. You want people to take ownership, I mean, most people are smart enough to take care of a lot of problems that come up, you know. Like personally, I always try to hand them off what I was doing, give them enough freedom to come up with their own process for it, you know, within balance. Like all I care about is this input comes out and this is what I want to come out of. How you get there, as long as it makes sense and it’s efficient, whatever.

Andy: Yeah, yeah. As far as what sets them off the other direction, I would say the opposite of that is just lack of caring, lack of being cognizant, sending out a plate that obviously is wrong, and you see it pass through three different channels. You know, the cook puts in the window, and then the food runner runs it, and the server come to the table and looks at it, and say how did none of you guys catch this?

Kyle: Yeah. Somebody should have seen that. I’m guessing you have some sort of training program then or…?

Andy: Yeah. That’s part of the organization change that we’re going through. There’s different people are trained in each location. We’re gonna centralize that to just one person. And then the one person that is going to be in the training is either the GM on the front of the house side because they’re ultimately responsible for the results of that person. And our back house side is gonna be kitchen operations manager because it’s the same thing. So if you teach a dishwasher how to do something and they don’t do it right, well, it’s your fault because he works for you. So hopefully, we can sustain that. We’ll see, and, you know, with our plans for growth and everything, that’s gonna become a full-time position for somebody just to train people. But I want to keep these ties as short as possible.

Kyle: So basically, maybe like one or two steps between, I guess not the bottom rung but, you know, like the entry level in?

Andy: Yes and no, because I think you can only effectively manage probably 7 to 10 people, and then your organization can really all be effective up to a point about 50 people. So across all of our entities right now, we’re probably of 48, 49, but by doing this management company idea, we’re essentially creating a new entity and backing that back down to 8 people. And then that will grow over time. These restaurants will grow over time, but something I wanna be careful of is when we see a body get too big to separate these things out, to keep that small.

Kyle: Because usually, as you’re growing an organization like that, you usually have to peel responsibilities off of people…

Andy: The exercise I do a lot of, not like every day, probably every couple months, is write down what are my responsibilities and then what are the responsibilities of an owner, what are the responsibilities of a president or whatever you wanna call that person. And so that’s been a constant process last two years of shaving these things off, shaving them off and either creating new positions or adding responsibilities onto a position. And so that exercise, we just went through this last week.

Kyle: Is that fun for you? Do you enjoy that part?

Andy: I enjoy the strategy part because I think it involves creativity, figuring out logistical problem or figuring out organizational problem, because I’m passionate about building. It’s the way that people process the products, that’s what I wanna do. And so we’re talking about, you know, 2017 is our time to build organization. That is a lot of figuring out board charts and chain of commands, all the responsibilities you can cover and where they lie. Because our basic philosophy is going to…if it’s outside platting food or serving food, then that responsibility lies within the management company. And it’s a really simplistic way to look at a pretty complex operation, but it yet have some type of that guiding light.

Kyle: I forget who said that “Simplicity is the most elegant complexity.” Because it takes so much. Just like skill and vision and all to break things down into simple jobs, and then put that up with people. And then have everything run efficiently. Like, anybody can be back and barking orders and given a set of rules or stuff like that, but actually build an organization where everyone wants to be there and is pulling towards a successful goal is like that to me is magic.

Andy: Simplicity. We got some tough learning curves ahead of us next couple of months to figure this thing out and keep everything going and grow at the same time. But I mean, I wouldn’t be doing if I didn’t think we could do it.

Kyle: Awesome. You know any good jokes or quotes?

Andy: The greatest motivation comes from desperation, and so that’s kind of a key indicator for me when I meet people, of why they want to do something. Because some people want to do something and some people have to do something. So honestly, if someone tells me that they have kids and they feed them, I’m like, “This guy is serious” or “This girl is serious.”

Kyle: Some people just kind of naturally have that drive, do you find that, because I know that you’re saying that you’re building like more of an ownership among your employees, do you find that when you show them that that opportunity is available, that they step up more, they pull a little bit more for you?

Andy: Honestly, I think when people get closer to that level, most of them want it less. Because then they look at, okay, what the risks and how I can’t pass a problem on anyone.

Kyle: Like they’re the end all be all responsibility.

Andy: And so, we’ll see how many folks really wanna to take that leap, because it is going to be a risk and it has to be. You start with is it the right thing to do and there’s different school of thought in that. You create something, you start something and yes these people help grow it but these people also got fair compensation. So are they really entitled to anything more than that? So I’m in the camp of they did a good job and sometimes people do deserve more than what they’re getting paid, but then you have to look at some logical standpoint, are you just giving away the form?

And what you get out of being any type of employee-owned company or [inaudible 00:20:44] sharing is more engagement from your employees. I think you build goodwill in the community, because the trend that I’m seeing, well I’m not just seeing, it is the trend big corporations and chains are losing market share to independent businesses, independent restaurants. People want to be able to walk in and see the owner.

I’m not able to kind of feel my passion which is building and stay in one spot. And so, I know I’m gonna continue building, but how do I not lease something kind of in a lurch because it no longer has the feel of being independently owned. And so, I think the one way to do that is to empower [inaudible 00:21:20] and give them some type of ownership. One of the other things that that model gives you, is it differentiates us from other restaurants. And so, it is a way to differentiate yourself with customers, it’s also a way to differentiate yourself with employees. And so, if people know they can come to Urban and have a way to greater chance of having a career in this industry, we’re only gonna get the better talent.

Kyle: Exactly and talent, whenever you’re building an organization, talent is the hardest thing to come by. You can find most of the other stuff relatively easy, but finding talent and putting talent in the position like that, I mean, that is the most important part of building a successful organization.

Andy: The other quote I’m gonna give you is “Comparison is the thief of joy,” it’s by Teddy Roosevelt.

Kyle: I like that one.

Andy: And I didn’t quite get it when I first heard it, but what it really means is we’re doing what we’re doing here at Urban, and we can compare ourselves restaurant that’s down at Beach Drive and say, “Well, we suck.” Because we’re not doing nearly as much as they do, or we could just focus on what we’re doing and how we’re doing it and be content with that.

Kyle: Exactly. I love it. Have you read Jay Alexander’s book “The Power Of Broke?”

Andy: No.

Kyle: He’s one of the guys on “Shark Tank” I think. He designed one of the Fubu brands. He failed four times in the ’80s and ’90s before that brand finally took off. The entire book is about…because he mortgaged the farm and all that stuff, failed four times, lost everything and just kept at it, kept at it. But the book is about like the motivation and the passion allows you to get more done, than if you just have the money, or like if somebody just gave you the prime spot downtown on Beach, you wouldn’t…

Andy: So I will never be as successful as any of those types of people, because I don’t have the drive to be that great. Meaning, I don’t have the willingness to sacrifice what it takes to be that great. I’m not averse to risk. I take a lot of risks, but my number one priority is to be a dad and a husband. And so I’m automatically I kind of cut myself out. And I’m fine with that and this is the decision I made, and the great success in the world can’t make up for failure in the home, another quote for you.

Kyle: Can I quote you on that?

Andy: Yeah. So my failures I was fortunate enough to be presented with opportunities before I got business for myself, to help others start their companies, and kind of see what they did right and what they did wrong, work for free for like nine months building a website. And we launched it day one, had great organic traffic, and day two, the principle was out of money and we shut it down. So to have something that you…

Kyle: That’s rough. Yeah, yeah.

Andy: …can afford into for free for that long, and it just turned into nothing. But the reason why I took that chance is because it wasn’t as the end results, what I’m gonna do in the whole time or lesson I learned. And so I’ve done that a couple times, because I’ve had plenty of failures. And it’s cheesy, but the way I look at it is failures are fantastic, because if everything you do works out the way you want it, that means you already know how to do it. And so you’re not really learning anything.

Kyle: I always feel that personal growth only comes from getting in, like becoming uncomfortable because it means you’re an uncharted territory.

Andy: Well, growth is change so that’s where failure or highlighting where you need to change.

Kyle: Thanks to Andy for that interview. So again, that is Andy. He owns the Urban Group’s Urban Comforts, Urban Barbecue, Urban Creamery, and Urban Deli, and they are located all up and down Central Avenue in St. Petersburg and I can’t recommend them enough. Everything they make is delicious. You can go to any of the Urban restaurants this week I would like to recommend that you go to Urban Comfort. They specialize in Southern comfort food. They also have a little shuffleboard outside and some delicious, delicious cocktails. So, let your imagination run wild on how interesting that you can get.

Segment 3 – Let’s Get Personal

So I’d like to thank you for tuning in to this, our fourth episode of Great Things Tampa Bay. As you can hear, I’m recording things a little differently. I do wanna say that I have actually gotten some feedback from two of you, and I wanna thank you for that. It is really difficult because I’m basically just sitting here in my office speaking to this microphone, and it’s hard to judge and gauge if you’re enjoying this, if you’re not enjoying this, if maybe I should cut some of these stuff down. So please, your feedback is absolutely important to me.

I can’t make the podcast better without your input and feedback. Go to the website, click on the social links. So my challenge to you today is to tell me about your favorite burrito and burrito place. I have a couple that I like, but I’m not gonna tell you what they are. I wanna hear what you like. I’m giving away a $25 gift card to the Red Mesa Group Restaurant, so we’re here in St. Petersburg, and I know you Tampa folks might be kind of mythed about that, but trust me, it’s worth the drive. And we are gonna be featuring a few more Tampa spots here in the future so I want you to tell me about your favorite burrito place. And the best story is I’m actually going to be going and trying those places, and we will be announcing a winner on episode six or seven so please be sure to subscribe.

You can find the entry to this contest on our website. It’ll be on all of our social media. Go to our website, greatthingstb.com. Click on the link for the contest, and we will be announcing the winner. And I hope to find a new great burrito place, so bring your A game. So I’d also like to challenge you to share our podcasts. If you share us with a friend, we will actually double your entry. So if you submit once and you share it with one friend, you get two entries, which doubles your chances to win. So be sure to share us.

So that’s about it. So the only other personal thing I’d like to share with you currently is that the dog is doing well. You know, we introduced her on the first episode and she’s appeared in some of my real estate videos. So she’s grown, she’s actually doubled in size now from when we got her, which puts her up to a whopping four and a half to five pounds. And the other thing is my wife, this weekend, she went down and swam with sharks down in Jupiter. They were having a little team-building exercise at her office. Yeah, so, not sure if I would ever do such thing. It sounds a little crazy to me, but who knows, maybe.

And I also ordered five cubic yards of topsoil from A Tractor Works, which is a funny thing to sound so excited about, but, you know, I’m of an age where making the house looks good is kind of important to me. So, yeah, that five yards, we were able to fill in around the house. I dug out some lava rocks that were on the house. You know, so the dirt was actually below the stucco. It looked really bad, and ordered up from them. They were professional as always. I would definitely recommend them, definitely a great company in St. Petersburg. I’ve dealt with them five or six times, and always had a good experience. So if you need some landscaping stuff except for sod, they don’t have sod.

But, you know, if you need some landscapes supplies,  some fill dirt, some mulch, some stuff like that, definitely give them a call. And I’d also like to thank my dad for coming out and helping me spread that five yards around. It looked pretty daunting when it was just sitting there in the driveway, so thank you. Thank you, pap’s.

Segment 4 – Jungle Survival

Segment four, jungle survival. So this one’s was pretty quick, but it might save your life if you’re chasing after Tarzan in the Congo or maybe the rainforest or something. And if you slice open a piece of skin on your arm and you need some sutures and you don’t have a needle and thread, find your nearest army ant pile and pick up a couple. And whenever they pinch, they pinch and they hold, so you can actually use them as sutures to close the wound, which is pretty creepy, to be honest. I think one of the books I read on this actually said to tear the head off and they will stay closed. You might have to experiment. I know that isn’t at the top your list of things you wanna do, but just so you know it might save your life one day.

If you are thinking about buying, moving, or selling a home, let’s talk. I love to help you find your own great place in Tampa Bay. Give me a call at 727-300-2111, or you can send me an email at kyle@sassergroup.com. K as in Kentucky, Y as in yahoo, L as in loco, E as in evil, at S as in saxophone, A as in axmen, S as in swag, S as in spud, E as in evil, R as in risky, group.com. And you can join us on social media. Easiest way to find us on the web is to go to our website at greatthingstb.com. That’s G-R-E-A-T-T-H-I-N-G-S-T-B dot com, and click on our get social link.

We’d love for you to join our discussion group. You can get on there and talk about your favorite restaurants, throw some ideas around, and ask about, you know, whatever you’re looking for. And again, I’d like to remind you of the contest challenge for this week. You can win a $25 gift card to Red Mesa Group of restaurants, which is Red Mesa on 4th Street, Red Mesa Cantina, which is downtown, and then Red Mesa Mercado which is out in the edge of district.

So you can find details for that contest on our Facebook page, our Instagram page, on our website just go there. It’s gonna be front and center. If you like show notes, transcripts or additional information, you can find all that at our website GreatThingsTB.com. And we thrive off your comments like, shares questions etc. So please come and interact and send us messages even if it’s only to ask where the wildest winery in Waimauma is. Another great thing about Tampa Bay that is a good place to go ride a motorcycle but that is for a future. So thanks for listening and I’ll see you next time.